Comments for WASHINGTON ACTION FOR SAFE WATER http://washingtonsafewater.com Say NO to Water Fluoridation Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:02:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 Comment on Letter to HHS-EPA 4-22-12 by Jim http://washingtonsafewater.com/hhs/hhs-epa-4-22-12/comment-page-1/#comment-13997 Jim Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:02:43 +0000 http://washingtonsafewater.com/?page_id=2145#comment-13997 Great work Dr Osmunson. We must now ask why city commissions turn a blind eye to this evidence of risk and even deny dental fluorosis exists in their cities. Or say because they have drank the water and are still alive 60 years later it is not possible it could be a risk to any citizen in their mind. And we have 3 attorneys as commissioners who are willing to state such foolish tripe to the newspaper. Ormond Beach Florida does have a warning on their website placed their by the then dentist Mayor after the Nov 9 2006 ADA egram to dentists. Sad thing is I gave all a copy of the egram before I spoke a week later and the Mayor told the commission and public I was wrong the ADA had made no such statement. He had missed their and my memo I guess. None of the other commissioners mentioned his error either. The next meeting he meet me at the door and informed me I had been correct. I reminded him I have never had any doubts about that. He wi9thout a vote put the warning in a newsletter, city website but it still reads like an endorsement of fluoridation as the best policy ever. A year later I got a notice on Cable for the whole county on two public channels for weeks. Free and effective. Daytona has refused to make any notice in spite of a 40% poor black population of 32114 zip which is a known health disaster says the public health department. Protect policy and let the people fend for themselves seems the rule in finding out the truth. The ADA had a secret meeting off the record with me as a agenda item and how to silence me. I had been banned from speaking from some city commissions and then a workshop on fluoridation where those against fluoridation were not allowed to speak. They called us misguided individuals. They then voted 5-0 in the closed comments meeting to keep this benefit to all and safe fluoridation process. No specific studies were mentioned just CDC talking points by people who needed a power point to avoid looking like total fools. Even then they made simple errors no antifluoride person would make. And these clowns draw a salary from my taxes. Two commissioner later told me they were starting to believe me until they heard the facts from the experts. In a debate they would be fools like happened in Austin Tx showed so very well. Same outside San Antio with Bill Wells PHD asking questions of the health department experts who could not wait for the end of the meeting as they had no answers to good questions. Yes they can say a few CDC talking points at best. Beyond that it is like a deer in the headlights. But that seems good enough for a city commission far too often. Great work Dr Osmunson. We must now ask why city commissions turn a blind eye to this evidence of risk and even deny dental fluorosis exists in their cities. Or say because they have drank the water and are still alive 60 years later it is not possible it could be a risk to any citizen in their mind. And we have 3 attorneys as commissioners who are willing to state such foolish tripe to the newspaper. Ormond Beach Florida does have a warning on their website placed their by the then dentist Mayor after the Nov 9 2006 ADA egram to dentists. Sad thing is I gave all a copy of the egram before I spoke a week later and the Mayor told the commission and public I was wrong the ADA had made no such statement. He had missed their and my memo I guess. None of the other commissioners mentioned his error either. The next meeting he meet me at the door and informed me I had been correct. I reminded him I have never had any doubts about that. He wi9thout a vote put the warning in a newsletter, city website but it still reads like an endorsement of fluoridation as the best policy ever. A year later I got a notice on Cable for the whole county on two public channels for weeks. Free and effective. Daytona has refused to make any notice in spite of a 40% poor black population of 32114 zip which is a known health disaster says the public health department. Protect policy and let the people fend for themselves seems the rule in finding out the truth. The ADA had a secret meeting off the record with me as a agenda item and how to silence me. I had been banned from speaking from some city commissions and then a workshop on fluoridation where those against fluoridation were not allowed to speak. They called us misguided individuals. They then voted 5-0 in the closed comments meeting to keep this benefit to all and safe fluoridation process. No specific studies were mentioned just CDC talking points by people who needed a power point to avoid looking like total fools. Even then they made simple errors no antifluoride person would make. And these clowns draw a salary from my taxes. Two commissioner later told me they were starting to believe me until they heard the facts from the experts. In a debate they would be fools like happened in Austin Tx showed so very well. Same outside San Antio with Bill Wells PHD asking questions of the health department experts who could not wait for the end of the meeting as they had no answers to good questions. Yes they can say a few CDC talking points at best. Beyond that it is like a deer in the headlights. But that seems good enough for a city commission far too often.

]]> Comment on Seattle Reduces Fluoride to .8 ppm by kat http://washingtonsafewater.com/seattle-reduces-fluoride-to-8-ppm/comment-page-1/#comment-13972 kat Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:04:32 +0000 http://washingtonsafewater.com/?p=1055#comment-13972 It is beyound me why there is even a debate going on about flouride in our water.. No one is being honest becuase of law suits.. The American dental association, is a joke on this matter and many other toxins we have to deal with too like chem trails. Quality of life is important to me and I am sick of this BS regarding flouride! It is beyound me why there is even a debate going on about flouride in our water.. No one is being honest becuase of law suits.. The American dental association, is a joke on this matter and many other toxins we have to deal with too like chem trails.

Quality of life is important to me and I am sick of this BS regarding flouride!

]]> Comment on Tualatin Valley by Kathleen Corkett http://washingtonsafewater.com/tualatin-valley/comment-page-1/#comment-13953 Kathleen Corkett Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:18:47 +0000 http://washingtonsafewater.com/?page_id=1924#comment-13953 My son, as the TVWD Board of Commissioner's is well aware, has been adversely effected by the fluoride they choose to keep adding into the public water en mass daily. I have formally requested the toxic fluoride contaminant be removed from our homes water supply by March 12, 2012. The Board of Commissioner's has chosen not to comply with my request as of today's date, Apr 11, 2012. TVWD Board needs to act fast and implement an infrastructure which enables customers the choice to have fluoride free water immediately. Otherwise, the Board of Commissioner's continues to accept all liability fluoride harm causes to individuals and the public en mass. Specifically TVWD legally needs to comply with individual customer requests to halt the addition of specified contaminants that are causing medical harm immediately upon request. Kathleen Corkett My son, as the TVWD Board of Commissioner’s is well aware, has been adversely effected by the fluoride they choose to keep adding into the public water en mass daily.

I have formally requested the toxic fluoride contaminant be removed from our homes water supply by March 12, 2012. The Board of Commissioner’s has chosen not to comply with my request as of today’s date, Apr 11, 2012.

TVWD Board needs to act fast and implement an infrastructure which enables customers the choice to have fluoride free water immediately. Otherwise, the Board of Commissioner’s continues to accept all liability fluoride harm causes to individuals and the public en mass.

Specifically TVWD legally needs to comply with individual customer requests to halt the addition of specified contaminants that are causing medical harm immediately upon request.

Kathleen Corkett

]]> Comment on Alli Larkin to Des Moines by Alli http://washingtonsafewater.com/alli-larkin-to-des-moines/comment-page-1/#comment-13917 Alli Sun, 01 Apr 2012 04:04:05 +0000 http://washingtonsafewater.com/?p=1016#comment-13917 First my apology for taking so long to respond. I was the only NO vote of all those in authority who voted. It will take 20 years for the ratepayers to pay it off. But it is added value to the delivery system.That project is now complete, except for some overlay that needs good weather. KCWD54 does not, and has never, added fluoride to it's water. Welcome back. First my apology for taking so long to respond. I was the only NO vote of all those in authority who voted. It will take 20 years for the ratepayers to pay it off. But it is added value to the delivery system.That project is now complete, except for some overlay that needs good weather. KCWD54 does not, and has never, added fluoride to it’s water.
Welcome back.

]]> Comment on Seattle Reduces Fluoride to .8 ppm by Susan Fung http://washingtonsafewater.com/seattle-reduces-fluoride-to-8-ppm/comment-page-1/#comment-13907 Susan Fung Sat, 31 Mar 2012 05:21:33 +0000 http://washingtonsafewater.com/?p=1055#comment-13907 I have recently learned that flouride is detrimental to my bones. I have osteoporosis. You need to stop adding any flouride to our water. I have some expensive filters and now I need to go out and spend even more money because those filters do not remove flouride. I also want to ferment a kefir drink using kefir cultures and the flouride in the tap water will kill them. I don't want to have to spend more money to filter out a toxin that you are adding to our waters. I demand you remove it now. It never stopped my children from getting cavities anyway and could have contributed to my osteoporosis. I have recently learned that flouride is detrimental to my bones. I have osteoporosis. You need to stop adding any flouride to our water. I have some expensive filters and now I need to go out and spend even more money because those filters do not remove flouride. I also want to ferment a kefir drink using kefir cultures and the flouride in the tap water will kill them. I don’t want to have to spend more money to filter out a toxin that you are adding to our waters. I demand you remove it now. It never stopped my children from getting cavities anyway and could have contributed to my osteoporosis.

]]> Comment on Proposal 2-Concentration by Gladys Opinya http://washingtonsafewater.com/bd-of-health/proposal-2-concentration/comment-page-1/#comment-13886 Gladys Opinya Thu, 29 Mar 2012 07:21:08 +0000 http://washingtonsafewater.com/#comment-13886 When calculating the fluoride to be added in the water. the mean weight of infants,and schildren up to age 5years should be considered as these are the most vulnerable to to growth and development. But the mean infant weight for age should be the most critical as chronic fluoride toxity is dependent on mg/Kg of fluoride on body weight. Also all the othe source of fluoride to the infant should be considered When calculating the fluoride to be added in the water. the mean weight of infants,and schildren up to age 5years should be considered as these are the most vulnerable to to growth and development. But the mean infant weight for age should be the most critical as chronic fluoride toxity is dependent on mg/Kg of fluoride on body weight. Also all the othe source of fluoride to the infant should be considered

]]> Comment on Port Angeles by Lead, Arsenic, Hydrogen Fluoride, Silicofluoride in Drinking Water » Snohomish Health District Seminar Handout 3-23-12 http://washingtonsafewater.com/port-angeles/comment-page-1/#comment-13864 Lead, Arsenic, Hydrogen Fluoride, Silicofluoride in Drinking Water » Snohomish Health District Seminar Handout 3-23-12 Fri, 23 Mar 2012 10:59:07 +0000 http://washingtonsafewater.com/?page_id=1788#comment-13864 [...] FRONT. fluoridation lawsuits which have been filed in federal courts in California, Maryland, and in the Washington courts. Three safe water groups presented their case to the Seattle City Attorney’s office on January 9. [...] [...] FRONT. fluoridation lawsuits which have been filed in federal courts in California, Maryland, and in the Washington courts. Three safe water groups presented their case to the Seattle City Attorney’s office on January 9. [...]

]]> Comment on Dr. Miller on Fluoridation by Lead, Arsenic, Hydrogen Fluoride, Silicofluoride in Drinking Water » Snohomish Health District Seminar Handout 3-23-12 http://washingtonsafewater.com/dr-miller-on-fluoridation/comment-page-1/#comment-13863 Lead, Arsenic, Hydrogen Fluoride, Silicofluoride in Drinking Water » Snohomish Health District Seminar Handout 3-23-12 Fri, 23 Mar 2012 10:58:30 +0000 http://washingtonsafewater.com/?p=738#comment-13863 [...] in caries. Other credible studies show no reduction. Tooth decay has dropped just as much in non-fluoridated Europe as in fluoridated United States, so fluoridation cannot be the causal factor. Tooth decay [...] [...] in caries. Other credible studies show no reduction. Tooth decay has dropped just as much in non-fluoridated Europe as in fluoridated United States, so fluoridation cannot be the causal factor. Tooth decay [...]

]]> Comment on Press Release For Candidates by Lead, Arsenic, Hydrogen Fluoride, Silicofluoride in Drinking Water » Press Release -Everett – 3-18-12 http://washingtonsafewater.com/press-release-for-candidates/comment-page-1/#comment-13814 Lead, Arsenic, Hydrogen Fluoride, Silicofluoride in Drinking Water » Press Release -Everett – 3-18-12 Sun, 18 Mar 2012 09:06:21 +0000 http://washingtonsafewater.com/?p=1686#comment-13814 [...] A Press Release for Candidates – November 5, 2011 [...] [...] A Press Release for Candidates – November 5, 2011 [...]

]]> Comment on Port Angeles by Lead, Arsenic, Hydrogen Fluoride, Silicofluoride in Drinking Water » Press Release -Everett – 3-18-12 http://washingtonsafewater.com/port-angeles/comment-page-1/#comment-13813 Lead, Arsenic, Hydrogen Fluoride, Silicofluoride in Drinking Water » Press Release -Everett – 3-18-12 Sun, 18 Mar 2012 09:06:05 +0000 http://washingtonsafewater.com/?page_id=1788#comment-13813 [...] Deal says: On the litigation front, water districts should take heed of the fluoridation lawsuits which have been filed in federal courts in California, Maryland, and in the Washington courts. [...] [...] Deal says: On the litigation front, water districts should take heed of the fluoridation lawsuits which have been filed in federal courts in California, Maryland, and in the Washington courts. [...]

]]> Comment on Port Angeles by FLUORIDE CLASS ACTION » Press Release: Everett Halts Fluoridation http://washingtonsafewater.com/port-angeles/comment-page-1/#comment-13605 FLUORIDE CLASS ACTION » Press Release: Everett Halts Fluoridation Mon, 27 Feb 2012 08:45:29 +0000 http://washingtonsafewater.com/?page_id=1788#comment-13605 [...] On the litigation front, water districts should take heed of the fluoridation lawsuits which have been filed in federal courts in California, Maryland, and in the Washington courts. [...] [...] On the litigation front, water districts should take heed of the fluoridation lawsuits which have been filed in federal courts in California, Maryland, and in the Washington courts. [...]

]]> Comment on Tour of Everett Fluoridation Plant by Elise Child http://washingtonsafewater.com/tour-of-everett-fluoridation-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-13210 Elise Child Mon, 16 Jan 2012 05:12:24 +0000 http://washingtonsafewater.com/?p=2050#comment-13210 Hello, I'm very interesting in getting fluoride out of Seattle's water supply (and all water) so I appreciate this information. Do you know if there is an active Seattle group also? Thanks, Elise Hello, I’m very interesting in getting fluoride out of Seattle’s water supply (and all water) so I appreciate this information. Do you know if there is an active Seattle group also?

Thanks,
Elise

]]> Comment on Dr. Miller on Fluoridation by FLUORIDE CLASS ACTION » Occupy Seattle Flier 10-21-11 http://washingtonsafewater.com/dr-miller-on-fluoridation/comment-page-1/#comment-13133 FLUORIDE CLASS ACTION » Occupy Seattle Flier 10-21-11 Sat, 07 Jan 2012 10:55:22 +0000 http://washingtonsafewater.com/?p=738#comment-13133 [...] in caries. Other credible studies show no reduction. Tooth decay has dropped just as much in non-fluoridated Europe as in fluoridated United States, so fluoridation cannot be the causal [...] [...] in caries. Other credible studies show no reduction. Tooth decay has dropped just as much in non-fluoridated Europe as in fluoridated United States, so fluoridation cannot be the causal [...]

]]> Comment on Occupy-Seattle-Flier-10-21-11 by FLUORIDE CLASS ACTION » Occupy Seattle Flier 10-21-11 http://washingtonsafewater.com/occupy-seattle-flier-10-21-11/comment-page-1/#comment-13132 FLUORIDE CLASS ACTION » Occupy Seattle Flier 10-21-11 Sat, 07 Jan 2012 10:55:06 +0000 http://washingtonsafewater.com/?p=1598#comment-13132 [...] PROFITABLE FRAUD BY MEGA CHEMICAL COMPANIES ADDS LEAD, ARSENIC, SILICOFLUORIDE TO DRINKING WATER Notice of Liability Served on Seattle and Everett Suit Filed in Federal Court in San Diego Suit Filed in Federal Court in Maryland Access links online at: http:/Fluoride-Class-Action.com/occupy-seattle-flier-10-21-11 [...] [...] PROFITABLE FRAUD BY MEGA CHEMICAL COMPANIES ADDS LEAD, ARSENIC, SILICOFLUORIDE TO DRINKING WATER Notice of Liability Served on Seattle and Everett Suit Filed in Federal Court in San Diego Suit Filed in Federal Court in Maryland Access links online at: http:/Fluoride-Class-Action.com/occupy-seattle-flier-10-21-11 [...]

]]> Comment on Fluoridated water is not safe for babies by Gary Flanzer http://washingtonsafewater.com/comment-page-1/#comment-12883 Gary Flanzer Fri, 16 Dec 2011 23:29:05 +0000 http://washingtonsafewater.com/?page_id=1842#comment-12883 Tuesday 12/20/11 on Dr Oz. What's in your drinking water? Tuesday 12/20/11 on Dr Oz. What’s in your drinking water?

]]> Comment on Fluoridated water is not safe for babies by Gary Flanzer http://washingtonsafewater.com/comment-page-1/#comment-12863 Gary Flanzer Fri, 16 Dec 2011 02:08:25 +0000 http://washingtonsafewater.com/?page_id=1842#comment-12863 Live Seychelle seminar on Fluoride removal from water. http://www.shelfreliance.com/livestream?utm_source=Master+List&utm_campaign=19f5cc953d-Decdember_13_2011_Newsletter12_12_2011&utm_medium=email Live Seychelle seminar on Fluoride removal from water. http://www.shelfreliance.com/livestream?utm_source=Master+List&utm_campaign=19f5cc953d-Decdember_13_2011_Newsletter12_12_2011&utm_medium=email

]]> Comment on Press Release by Gary Flanzer http://washingtonsafewater.com/press-release/comment-page-1/#comment-12670 Gary Flanzer Wed, 07 Dec 2011 04:00:29 +0000 http://washingtonsafewater.com/#comment-12670 Here in the Sammamish Plateau, they decided to allow Seattle's water to be mixed with our well water in 2003. Here is a detailed and comprehensive study the Sammamish Plateau Water and Sewer District did on all their options regarding fluoridation. I think it was surprisingly evenhanded. This is a good report to read. http://www.sammplat.wa.org/Fluoride_Options._Evaluation8-4-2004.pdf Interestingly, on the Redmond portion of the plateau, apparently a vote 20 years ago AGAINST fluoride still stands and they don't add it to that portion of the plateau. Here in the Sammamish Plateau, they decided to allow Seattle’s water to be mixed with our well water in 2003. Here is a detailed and comprehensive study the Sammamish Plateau Water and Sewer District did on all their options regarding fluoridation. I think it was surprisingly evenhanded. This is a good report to read.

http://www.sammplat.wa.org/Fluoride_Options._Evaluation8-4-2004.pdf

Interestingly, on the Redmond portion of the plateau, apparently a vote 20 years ago AGAINST fluoride still stands and they don’t add it to that portion of the plateau.

]]> Comment on Should we change our name? by Ronnie from Negaunee http://washingtonsafewater.com/should-we-change-our-name/comment-page-1/#comment-12478 Ronnie from Negaunee Sun, 04 Dec 2011 10:58:48 +0000 http://washingtonsafewater.com/?p=1915#comment-12478 This is an interesting question. There have been -how many?- 200 successful campaigns by organized groups. Is there a list somewhere - at FAN??- of the successes and the name of the group that got the job done? If "FLUORIDE FREE ___________ " was a dominate name it just might be worth a name change. May be statistically significant It doesn't mean you have to give up WASA. Just as corporations can have a name AND a DBA (doing business as) . Ron This is an interesting question. There have been -how many?- 200 successful campaigns by organized groups. Is there a list somewhere – at FAN??- of the successes and the name of the group that got the job done? If “FLUORIDE FREE ___________ ” was a dominate name it just might be worth a name change. May be statistically significant

It doesn’t mean you have to give up WASA. Just as corporations can have a name AND a DBA (doing business as) .

Ron

]]> Comment on Should we change our name? by Rae Nadler-Olenick http://washingtonsafewater.com/should-we-change-our-name/comment-page-1/#comment-12463 Rae Nadler-Olenick Sun, 04 Dec 2011 07:13:07 +0000 http://washingtonsafewater.com/?p=1915#comment-12463 If WASW truly expends as much time and effort on other aspects of water safety as it does on fluoride, then it's appropriately named. However, that's not true of most anti-fluoridation advocacy groups, and, after careful consideration, I believe a strong across-the-board Fluoride Free ______________ presence would make an excellent unifying theme for our movement as a whole. It's succinct and catchy and the alliteration of the first two words is a plus. When I first adopted the Fluoride Free Austin name unilaterally three years ago, I actually had to defend my choice - not because so many people think fluoride is good and antifluori-dationists are nut jobs but because some strong voices among us thought the word was "too negative", a turnoff, bad karma, reminiscent of Dr. Strangelove, and the like. While I understood and respected their point of view, I felt it made no sense to crusade against something without naming it, and that if things were that far gone, we might as well throw in the towel. So I stuck to my guns despite some early doubts, and today we're all happy with our "brand's" success. The further argument that "Fluoride Free" doesn't mean 100% fluoride free is also well taken, but a similar objection could be raised with any other name given to an organization that focuses principally on ending the fluoridation of drinking water. "Clean water" doesn't entirely cut it, because the addition of fluoride to water doesn't make it "dirty" in the commonly accepted sense. And turning off the fluoride tap alone won't make water still contaminated with industrial and pharmaceutical wastes completely safe - just safer than it was before. I think most people understand "fluoride free" in our context to mean tapwater free of artificially-added fluoride. Let's concentrate on getting rid of that first, and then we can change our names to something else. :) If WASW truly expends as much time and effort on other aspects of water safety as it does on fluoride, then it’s appropriately named. However, that’s not true of most anti-fluoridation advocacy groups, and, after careful consideration, I believe a strong across-the-board Fluoride Free ______________ presence would make an excellent unifying theme for our movement as a whole. It’s succinct and catchy and the alliteration of the first two words is a plus.

When I first adopted the Fluoride Free Austin name unilaterally three years ago, I actually had to defend my choice – not because so many people think fluoride is good and antifluori-dationists are nut jobs but because some strong voices among us thought the word was “too negative”, a turnoff, bad karma, reminiscent of Dr. Strangelove, and the like. While I understood and respected their point of view, I felt it made no sense to crusade against something without naming it, and that if things were that far gone, we might as well throw in the towel. So I stuck to my guns despite some early doubts, and today we’re all happy with our “brand’s” success.

The further argument that “Fluoride Free” doesn’t mean 100% fluoride free is also well taken, but a similar objection could be raised with any other name given to an organization that focuses principally on ending the fluoridation of drinking water. “Clean water” doesn’t entirely cut it, because the addition of fluoride to water doesn’t make it “dirty” in the commonly accepted sense. And turning off the fluoride tap alone won’t make water still contaminated with industrial and pharmaceutical wastes completely safe – just safer than it was before. I think most people understand “fluoride free” in our context to mean tapwater free of artificially-added fluoride. Let’s concentrate on getting rid of that first, and then we can change our names to something else. :)

]]> Comment on Should we change our name? by charlotte hunt http://washingtonsafewater.com/should-we-change-our-name/comment-page-1/#comment-12455 charlotte hunt Sun, 04 Dec 2011 05:32:46 +0000 http://washingtonsafewater.com/?p=1915#comment-12455 Why not have both names. Fluoride Free could be apart of the overall movement to have safe water as a right for everyone. If you decide on Fluoride Free as a name change,I vote Fluoride Free Washington. Why not have both names. Fluoride Free could be apart of the overall movement to have safe water as a right for everyone. If you decide on Fluoride Free as a name change,I vote Fluoride Free Washington.

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